The Opium Wars Still Shape China’s View of the West
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>this aspect of the westSince we at it, can we stop this China vs West thingy, as if the world was binary, as if the only relevant comparison was between those two? I dunno what you mean by West, but you probably thinking of anglo saxon countries, in particular the UK and the USA. Greece, Slovenia, Portugal, maybe some parts of Latinamerica). Besides, most of the world isn either China (or East Asia if you will) or the West (What India, Bangladesh, Russia, Africa, etc?). The opium wars and the aftermath is easily the greatest theft in human history. It completely changed the west and gave the west a significant leg up vis a vis china and the east. And it set china back 150 years. Nearly 200 years on, china still hasn recovered from it.> Just look how our historians high quality replica handbags china are happy to attribute such acts to countries(!???)All wars are fought for wealth. But the wealthy don hire historians to out them. Historians are hired to spin a fable. It why every nations histories of the same event are so different. It quite possible that Germans still have an aversion to inflation due to the 1920 episode of hyperinflation in the Weimarer Republik. My grandmother often spoke of it, she had vivid memories of it, as she was selling groceries in the local “Konsum”, had to put up new price tags every hour louis vuitton look alike bags , and saw the suffering of everyone (including her own family). She liked to recount how her “Volksschule” teacher (in a poor neighbourhood) taught them hundreds and thousands, and then briefly mentioned millions and billions, but glossed over them saying “You never have to use them anyway.”(Thus, there are people alive, if I may make that claim for myself, that have heard (visceral) first hand reports of it.)2. There is this beautiful paper demonstrating that people have more trust in government and bureaucracy in areas that were part of the (long defunct) Habsburger Empire, even if they (and their counterparts on the other side of the old border) have now lived a century in the same modern country.”The Empire Is Dead, Long Live the Empire! Long Run replica louis vuitton bags Persistence of Trust and Corruption in the Bureaucracy”http: > It just not true and likely being written by someone who has never asked a single german Germans or Chinese have some sort of consciousness of their history; maybe you haven asked them.4. And, by the way, you also formed by your history (via the culture surrounding you) if you don consciously notice it. Cash you can hold in your hands, feels more safe than just some plastic card. Paying with cash is anonymous. This is still a big thing and maybe the more important factor why cash is more important in germany.
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> Julia Lovell, a British historian, makes a similar point. In her book “The Opium War: Drugs, Dreams and the Making of China”, she says the move into opium by British traders was not, as claimed by many Chinese historians, a deliberate conspiracy to make narcotic slaves of the Chinese. They deliberately conspired to hurt the Chinese for profit www.dolabuy.su , judging their suffering to be a less important consideration than their own profits.
I call it nationalist denial. Millions died of starvation in the midst of a record bumper crop for export. The British justification for deliberate inaction was and for many still is a mixture of denial, high minded debate about the role of government, and a deep concern for keeping Irish wretches out of a cycle of dependency.
Yes, every nation in the world has a “big shame”, but none of them really face it. They might play “good cop, bad cop” by dividing into several “nations”, each with a different policy. Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. Germany was even 2 nations for half the 20th century, and Switzerland was virtually all German replica louis vuitton speaking until 1815. Have the Switz Germans really faced up to financing the Nazis?Or a nation might face up to a big shame as cover so they can nurture many “little shames”, like modern Germany treatment of its Turk residents.
> Us dutchies are decent on admitting our faults. I think we are pretty clear about our mistakes in IndonesiaI respectfully disagree. I always thought of Dutchies as open minded but I remember reading a plaque at the Rijksmuseum (Amsterdam) that left my jaw on the floor by being overly euphemistic. It was an exhibit of about 2 dozen weapons symbolically surrendered by Indonesian leaders; the text was worded as if it was a voluntary gift of their own volution. I thought a little self honesty would go a long way. They bought food from America to import it, albeit screwed it up because Ireland didn cheap louis vuitton bags from china have sufficiently advanced mills to process the imported grain. They repealed import tariffs (the Corn Laws). Large public works programmes were created to employ the devastated farmers. people who were successfully growing food despite the blight would have to sell aaa replica designer handbags it below cost and would go bankrupt). African countries export food to Europe and would export far more if it weren for the CAP, even though Africa has famines, hunger and disease. Should they be prevented from doing so, or will trade enrich them and ultimately end their poverty?
It not a “silly coincidence.””Poppies have long been used as a symbol of sleep, peace, replica louis vuitton bags and death: Sleep because the opium extracted from them is a sedative, and death because of the common blood red color of the red poppy in particular. In Greek and Roman myths, poppies were used as offerings to the dead. Poppies used as emblems on tombstones symbolize eternal sleep. This symbolism was evoked in the children novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, in which a magical poppy field threatened to make the protagonists sleep forever. A second interpretation of poppies in Classical mythology is that the bright scarlet color signifies a promise of resurrection after death.””The remembrance poppy was inspired by the World War I poem “In Flanders Fields”. Its opening lines refer to the many poppies that were the first flowers to grow in the churned up earth of soldiers graves in Flanders, a region of Belgium.”
I think her use of “pragmatic” is more prosaic than its use in the united United States. Consider both sides propaganda battle after Al Qaida attacked NY both benefited (at least in the short term) by portraying it as a massive clash of cilizations rather as a publicity stunt by a bunch of asshole gangsters. The same was true by using the term “opium war” and its continued value today on the Chinese side.
>that has enormous and predictable negative effects for someone else and a comparatively tiny positive effect for themselves,[italics mine] How much did the British know about the addictive effects of opium? This seems like a rather crucial part of the story. Several decades after the Opium War, opium became popular in Europe and led to various social maladies, which culminated in its ban replica designer handbags and the initiation of the drug wars. Gladstone, but who can say Fake Louis Vuitton Replica Bags for themselves that they certainly would have, in a time and place when almost nobody knew anything about opium?
It isn a fallacy. Opium can potentially be one of the most beneficial medicine that one can introduce in this diet. Those who misuse it seem to draw most of the attention, so outsiders are often unaware of the overwhelming benefits. I know people who buy opium and are extremely grateful to their suppliers, who are providing them with a plant that has in some case rescued them from their incapacity to sleep well or feel joy or, or has regulated their pulse to prevent heart attacks, or has allowed them to survive poisoning, or has high quality designer replica handbags liberated them from unstable digestion problems.
Not simply that the West bought more. China refused to accept anything except silver and gold in payment for their Tea. There is only so much silver and gold so they looked for something else they could trade for and found that there was a demand for Opium. My favorite was calling the governor Chris Patten the “son of a running dog” which has a bit more bite in Chinese. A lot of the knashing of teeth on the Chinese side of the table was repeatedly justified by the dastardly deeds of the British in the Opium Wars to a country that was then still under the rule of an Emperor, which later turned into a corrupt republic and then overthrown again by the Communists and now 1:1 replica handbags seems to have been overthrown by the combined forces of Louis Vuitton, Rolex and Channel.
> The West buys more from China than China buys from The Westbecause there are long list of high tech military stuff that China is simply not allowed to buy. On the non military side, how about super computers, space techs, laser, semiconductor techs, optical fiber, high end composite materials. EU has very similar laws policies, nothing really different from the US.
> Surely Chinese are interesting in buying America advanced jet fightersChina interested in buying precisely one round of each thing. And thereafter replacing it with their own. That not a criticism, it a fact of life in dealing with China. are not going to fix that. There absolutely nothing that can plug a $600 billion per year hole with China (US+EU), realistically. Energy exports (in the case of the US) is the only thing that could dent it. The solution is to move more manufacturing away from China and rebalance that large concentrated deficit with cheap replica handbags other nations in a distributed manner, and to make more things domestically. That will happen naturally as China wages costs continue to rise.
True story: In the late and the Parker pen company had a manufacturing operation in China, making the Parker “51”, a rather singular design.
I think a more accurate headline would be “China perception of the Opium Wars shape its view of the West.” Why were the Opium Wars fought? One narrative says the Qing were trying to protect their population from the harms of addiction. But it is also true that the Qing were concerned about the outflow of silver, which was being used by Chinese merchants to buy opium, but which had also become the base currency of the Chinese economy in the mid 19th century. China was accumulating silver because it was selling more than it bought (sound familiar?), and opium was one commodity that found demand on the mainland.
>> Westerners as sources of the Opium Wars and therefore as enemiesThe article is not wrong. Opium war, in the official narrative of recent Chinese history, is phrased as “the start of a hundred years of humiliation of China”. It is heavily focused event in middle school history class.
Not sure you disagreeing with the grandparent. In Russia case it corruption. Not sure about China.
It really sad how little we are taught about the opium wars. It is easily the most important war in the last 500 years. The wealth that was taken from china as a result of the opium wars provided capital to britain and the US to fund our industrial revolution. FDR grandfather was Warren Delano, one of the largest opium dealers in china. The opium money is what funded our institution building in the 1800s.
That is absolutely incorrect. Communism has no private property, but also has no state. You are thinking of socialism. They self identify as socialist states that are in the process of transitioning to communism.